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When is a Move not a Move?

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#1 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:21 AM

Duncs

When is a Move not a Move?

Apparently, when it's in Vista!

All I'm trying to do is move files from one drive to another, and
Vista refuses to do it. It goes through the process of discovering
files and calculates the number of items / size. It then just sits
there. When I click on the 'More Information' button, it does show
the 'Items remaining' decreasing, but the speed is always 0 bytes /
sec and it doesn't actually do anything.

When it does eventually go away, there are still files in the 'Items
remaining' count and the files I wanted moved, are still in their
original location.

Anyone any ideas?

TIA

Duncs

#2 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:21 AM

Jim

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:34:36 -0700 (PDT),

“ Apparently, when it's in Vista!

All I'm trying to do is move files from one drive to another, and
Vista refuses to do it. It goes through the process of discovering
files and calculates the number of items / size. It then just sits
there. When I click on the 'More Information' button, it does show
the 'Items remaining' decreasing, but the speed is always 0 bytes /
sec and it doesn't actually do anything.

When it does eventually go away, there are still files in the 'Items
remaining' count and the files I wanted moved, are still in their
original location.

Anyone any ideas?

TIA

Duncs

I use Xplorer2 , twin pane , drag from pane1 to pane 2 and drop .

#3 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:21 AM

H Brown

“ Apparently, when it's in Vista!

All I'm trying to do is move files from one drive to another, and
Vista refuses to do it. It goes through the process of discovering
files and calculates the number of items / size. It then just sits
there. When I click on the 'More Information' button, it does show
the 'Items remaining' decreasing, but the speed is always 0 bytes /
sec and it doesn't actually do anything.

When it does eventually go away, there are still files in the 'Items
remaining' count and the files I wanted moved, are still in their
original location.
Anyone any ideas?
TIA

> Duncs
You don't move to *different* drive. You can copy to different drive. Then
delete the source file(s) depending on what those file(s) are. Vista does
not move files to different drives (will copy) for good reasons. Anyone
shifting files among different drives better know the whats ,whys of what it
is they really want or expect to accomplish.

H Brown

#4 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:21 AM

Gene E. Bloch

“ Apparently, when it's in Vista!
All I'm trying to do is move files from one drive to another, and
Vista refuses to do it. It goes through the process of discovering
files and calculates the number of items / size. It then just sits
there. When I click on the 'More Information' button, it does show
the 'Items remaining' decreasing, but the speed is always 0 bytes /
sec and it doesn't actually do anything.
When it does eventually go away, there are still files in the 'Items
remaining' count and the files I wanted moved, are still in their
original location.
Anyone any ideas?
TIA
Duncs

I had no trouble moving a file or a folder with its contents from (in this
case) C: to a USB drive.

I did it with Ctrl-X followed by Ctrl-V. I also used drag-and-drop; I *did*
have to press the shift key in that case;

HTH

Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

#5 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:21 AM

H Brown

“ On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:34:36 -0700 (PDT),

“ I had no trouble moving a file or a folder with its contents from (in this
case) C: to a USB drive.

I did it with Ctrl-X followed by Ctrl-V. I also used drag-and-drop; I
*did*
have to press the shift key in that case;

HTH
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

Hi Gene
Your methods are correct and do work because you are deleting the source
file (during the operation) from one drive therefore allowing a move
operation to take place. Apparently the OP is selecting multiple files and
trying to move them to a different drive using a method ( not divulged)
that does not delete the source files during the operation. Even the
Shift+drag and drop where the shift key was also used in the selection of
multiple files can result in some files not being moved. Vista wants to
make sure you are purposely wanting to delete files from one drive and move
them to a different drive. Vista is trying to prevent casual mistakes that
could easily happen, particularly when selecting multiple files and doing
drag and drop.
This opens up another questions. You move a multiple files from one drive
to another and those files are no longer located on the original source
drive therefore making the drive you moved them to the new source. Will the
same rules apply or Not apply when it comes to moving those same files back
to the original source drive ((assuming you could locate all or them) after
you find out that moving files around particularly to other drives was not
such a good idea.)) So what changed or did not change and why?
H Brown

#6 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:22 AM

Gene E. Bloch

“
Hi Gene
Your methods are correct and do work because you are deleting the source
file (during the operation) from one drive therefore allowing a move
operation to take place.

Uh - this is the definition of Move...*I* am not deleting the source files
*during* the operation - the *OS* is deleting the source files *after* the
copy.

I was trying to point out to the OP that on at least one Vista machine,
Move works as it should.

“ Apparently the OP is selecting multiple files and
trying to move them to a different drive using a method ( not divulged)
that does not delete the source files during the operation.

See above.

“ Even the
Shift+drag and drop where the shift key was also used in the selection of
multiple files can result in some files not being moved. Vista wants to
make sure you are purposely wanting to delete files from one drive and move
them to a different drive. Vista is trying to prevent casual mistakes that
could easily happen, particularly when selecting multiple files and doing
drag and drop.

I can't say I believe this. I certainly have never experienced it.

“ This opens up another questions. You move a multiple files from one drive
to another and those files are no longer located on the original source
drive therefore making the drive you moved them to the new source.

They are not any kind of source unless I choose to select them for some
further operation.

If I choose to select the files I just moved and by an approved method move
them to some other place (their original location included), that's just a
new move and works as such. Believe me.

“ Will the
same rules apply or Not apply when it comes to moving those same files back
to the original source drive

Of course.

“ ((assuming you could locate all or them)

Assuming, in other words, that I knew what I was doing...

“ after
you find out that moving files around particularly to other drives was not
such a good idea.))

Given the same assumption as above, I won't be changing my mind...

“ So what changed or did not change and why?

Nothing, and no reason needed.

“ H Brown

Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

#7 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:22 AM

H Brown

Hi Gene
I agree with you, my comments were pointed at the OP and not at you,
because the OP never reveled what *type* of files he was trying to move to a
different drive nor the method he used. Your methods as I said before work
fine. Instead of "you" I should have said your method causes the OS to
delete the files during the operation. I could tell you knew what you were
doing. I just not sure of the OP based of the information he provided or
the lack thereof.

Thanks for your reply
H Brown

“
Originally Posted by Bloch

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:07:11 -0500,

Uh - this is the definition of Move...*I* am not deleting the source files
*during* the operation - the *OS* is deleting the source files *after* the
copy.

I was trying to point out to the OP that on at least one Vista machine,
Move works as it should.

See above.

I can't say I believe this. I certainly have never experienced it.

They are not any kind of source unless I choose to select them for some
further operation.

If I choose to select the files I just moved and by an approved method
move
them to some other place (their original location included), that's just a
new move and works as such. Believe me.

Of course.

Assuming, in other words, that I knew what I was doing...

Given the same assumption as above, I won't be changing my mind...

Nothing, and no reason needed.

Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

#8 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:22 AM

Gene E. Bloch

“ Hi Gene
I agree with you, my comments were pointed at the OP and not at you,
because the OP never reveled what *type* of files he was trying to move to a
different drive nor the method he used. Your methods as I said before work
fine. Instead of "you" I should have said your method causes the OS to
delete the files during the operation. I could tell you knew what you were
doing. I just not sure of the OP based of the information he provided or
the lack thereof.
Thanks for your reply
H Brown

OK, I got it now :-) Sorry to have snapped at you.

I just reread the OP, and I just think there must be some corruption or
malware in the OP's system, assuming he's trying to move files from one
place to another in a conventional way.

I guess there could be a problem with permissions (rather than system
corruption or malware) if the move involves files with some level of
protection, but as you point out, there is not much info in the post - and
the poster seems to have gone away, so we'll probably never know. One of
life's little mysteries :-)

Gino

“

Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

#9 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:28 AM

Duncs

“ Apparently, when it's in Vista!

All I'm trying to do is move files from one drive to another, and
Vista refuses to do it. *It goes through the process of discovering
files and calculates the number of items / size. *It then just sits
there. *When I click on the 'More Information' button, it does show
the 'Items remaining' decreasing, but the speed is always 0 bytes /
sec and it doesn't actually do anything.

When it does eventually go away, there are still files in the 'Items
remaining' count and the files I wanted moved, are still in their
original location.

Anyone any ideas?

TIA

Duncs

So, does anyone know whatthe problem is with a move operation in
Vista?

Duncs

#10 (permalink)

10-07-2009, 10:28 AM

Gene E. Bloch

“ On 28 Mar, 12:34,
So, does anyone know whatthe problem is with a move operation in
Vista?
Duncs

Judging by my system, there is NO problem with move in Vista.

So the question is better stated as "does anyone know what the problem is
with a move operation in a few Vista systems".

Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom